Bernie Sanders has broken his silence on whether he would run for president in 2028 in a new Joe Rogan interview. Almost six years after his first appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience during his 2020 election campaign, the 83-year-old Vermont Senator sat down with the podcasting behemoth in his Austin, Texas, studio on Tuesday.

Rogan, who appreciates freedom of speech like few others, cut right to the progressive obsession with campaign finance system as the cause and solution to every problem.